Tuesday, October 19, 2004
Fw: [catholicACT] Mario Derksen Denies the Pope - Another sad case of "Traditionalist" Schism
On the Status of “John Paul II” - Part 1
The following considerations have led me, Mario Derksen, editor of Catholic Insight at www.cathinsight.com, to deny that Bishop Karol Wojtyla, “John Paul II,” is the Pope of the Catholic Church.
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The above argument proves with infallible certitude that Bishop Karol Wojtyla, “John Paul II,” is not the Pope of the Catholic Church, at least as of January 25, 1983 (this argument makes no claim on his "papacy" before that date; but this does not mean it concedes he was Pope before then).
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Kevin Byrne's Response to Mario Part 2
REVIEW:
Mario Derksen's argument is, in short, to the effect that John Paul II, the Roman Catholic Pope, is not-the-Pope because he promulgated an "evil Law" allowing "notorious" heretics and schismatics (eg. The Eastern "so-called" Orthodox) to receive "Catholic" sacraments, according to Canon 844. Ch. 3. and Ch. 4. of the 1983 Code of Canon Law, which is directly CONTRARY, according to "Mr." Derksen (M.A.), to Canon 732. Ch. 2. of the 1917 Code of Canon Law.
Derksen neglects several things, to wit Apostolic authority "to loose" and "to bind" and "to forgive" or "to retain" essentially the same sins. He also fails to understand the essential ambiguity of the proverbial "letter" of disciplinary-LAW, while completely forgetting THE SPIRIT of ecclesiastical Law, which is to extend salvation (healing/forgiveness) to the entire human community. He fails to mention that newer Codes of disciplinary Law abrogate (repeal; cancel) any laws, customs, etc. which are contrary to freshly promulgated legal Codes. (Canon 6.)...Pope Benedict, like all other Popes, always leaves the "door open" into the Roman Catholic Church, requote, "....unless, rejecting errors, they are reconciled with the Church." Derksen's 2nd premise ignores the reconciliation process initiated in 1965 by Paul VI, Patriarch Athenagoras and his Synod in common agreement, which is entirely consistent with the last phrase of the 1917 Code and, in particular, the phrase "unless... they (heretics; schismatics) are reconciled with the Church."
So our modern "Peter", John Paul II, is entirely consistent with All of the Popes Bendict XV , John XXIII and Paul VI by recognizing the reconciliation point of Pope Benedict XV (in "theory"; requote "unless rejecting their errors they be reconciled") and the identical point of Pope Paul VI (in practice; to wit the Joint Catholic Declaration of 1965, where a reconciliation was initiated/promulgated by a Pope who preceded J.P.II), when he promulgated the 1983 Code of Canon Law....:: Apolonio 9:08 AMKevin Byrne's Response to Mario...it is not difficult to understand why the alleged "evil laws" to which Mr. Mario Derksen "appeals" in order to "depose PETER" refer to, quote, "members of the eastern Churches not in full communion with the Catholic Church" (844. 3.), which Mr. Derksen interprets, as, quote, "Eastern schismatics (e.g., the so-called “Eastern Orthodox”)".
However, when excommunications are requote, consigned to oblivion (Paul VI; Not John Paul II), you are not dealing with schismatics, but, rather, those not in full communion, per the 1983 Code (and the entire Joint Catholic-Orthodox Declaration of Vatican II)
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:: Apolonio 9:00 AM
§3 Catholic ministers may lawfully administer the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the eastern Churches not in full communion with the Catholic Church, if they spontaneously ask for them and are properly disposed. The same applies to members of other Churches which the Apostolic See judges to be in the same position as the aforesaid eastern Churches so far as the sacraments are concerned.
§4 If there is a danger of death or if, in the judgment of the diocesan Bishop or of the Episcopal Conference, there is some other grave and pressing need, Catholic ministers may lawfully administer these same sacraments to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who spontaneously ask for them, provided that they demonstrate the Catholic faith in respect of these sacraments and are properly disposed.
